SuprNova Closed Down

[matt]

SuprNove.org has been closed down, probably for legal reasons, or maybe for other reason as well. This will probably hit the Bit Torrent community hard. A lot of people used suprnova.org and it was one of the biggest torrent sites on the web.

This will affect us in a big way as well..... lots of our torrent peers come from downloading our torrent files from suprnova.org..... so this will probably affect our leacher / seeder ratios in a big way as well, although the actual site visits might not change too drastically.

I, for one, am sad to see the site closed down.

Fell free to leave your opinions here

[Life]

Aye tis a shame. From suprnova forums:

Greetings everybody,

As you have probably noticed, we have often had downtimes. This was because it was so hard to keep this site up!
But now we are sorry to inform you all, that SuprNova is closing down for good in the way that we all know it.
We do not know if SuprNova is going to return, but it is certainly not going to be hosting any more torrent links.
We are very sorry for this, but there was no other way, we have tried everything.

Thank you all that helped us, by donating mirrors or something else, by uploading and seeding files, by helping people out on IRC and on forum, by spreading the word about SuprNova.org.
It is a sad day for all of us!

Please visit SuprNova.org every once in a while to get the latest news on what is happening and if there is anything new to report on.

As we wish to maintain the nice comunity that we created, we are keppig forums and irc servers open.

Thank you all and Goodbye!
sloncek & the rest of the SuprNova Team


Apparently, a number of other BitTorrent sites have also gone down today, including TorrentBits.org, where this was posted to try and clarify what is going on:

AT LAST!
I've got a chance to reply to some of these rumours and wild speculation!
(YES - this is going to be one of the Puppy's long boring posts,
but if you don't read it all, don't bother replying - NO CRIB NOTES AVAILABLE)

Firstly, I have to say,
I am extremely dissapointed with the response from some of the members of the TB community.
Scare-mongering and spreading rumours is not the most helpful thing to do in a situation like this!
I know everyone is unhappy about it, but don't burn your bridges with insults or by playing the blame game!

Secondly,
I am extremely delighted with the reponse form some of the members of the TB community.
Members like DeeJee, and Warlok, who are trying to keep us all together,
to get the correct information out. There are probably more that I don't know about yet....
and all those working behind the scenes.... Thanks guys

OK lets get down to it.
A few facts:-
- I am extremely sad to report, that I have just found out that, TB, as we know it, is DEAD.
- The full reason why Rb choose to close down is still not yet known
- Rb was "on holiday" when the site went down, and is in no position to put it back up again,
or explain anything, until he gets back
- There was a Ddos attack - After the site went down!

One more fact:-
Nobody, REPEAT, nobody, except Redbeard knows what Redbeard is planning to do.

Keep watching torrentbits.org for a statement.
It's the ONLY place to get the full facts

Not entirely sure whats going on, the best guesses obviously include some kind of legal action being threatened by the MPAA (possibly RIAA too, but the MPAA recently announced they would be doing such things to BT trackers), the new Exeem P2P Suprnova are working on, and maybe just plain old difficulties with downtimes and running a server that popular. Its highly possible that Sloncek just couldnt afford to keep SuprNova afloat.

Either way, it is sad, I loved suprnova, but inevitably another torrent site will take its place, its happened many times before. The masses of traffic left behind in SuprNova's ashes will filter through to one of the other torrent indexes, possibly LokiTorrent or TorrentReactor. All we can do is wait and see.

[Cyberstryke]

Yeah it sucks that Suprnova.org, Torrentbits.org and Torrent.youceff.com have all went down. But hey I was wondering if they all went down would that free up some traffic for other things? Reason I am saying is all the sites I go to are loading really fast and even di.fm buffers in about 2 seconds when a normal connect took about 10 seconds. Hell maybe it is just my isp cleaning up their lines (had problems with them before) or maybe not. Anyone else experiencing faster speeds with sites and other online stuff?

[BarkerJr]

Well, TheRegister reported that BitTorrent traffic is about 35% of the net's traffic.

I, for one, will have more throughput (not bandwidth) to put towards Linux. I daily checked Suprnova for open-source software and official game patch (legal) torrents to seed. For instance, I'm seeding Thunderbird and OpenOffice right now, in addition to Knoppix and Std.

I'm saddened to lose Suprnova, however, we may be just moving towards more decentralized torrent distribution. Torrent search engines, such as yotoshi (which is slower than normal today), allow you to search for torrents, which are actually hosted on individuals' websites.

[Cyberstryke]

Yeah I knew it is around 35% that's another reason I kinda think things are going a bit faster but I really think it is my isp seeing as how last month they said they were going to do some maintenance on both the lines and the DSLAM/switches at the office.

[matt]

one website going down wont affect the speed of another website unless its on the same connectivity as the site thats gone down..... maybe in this case there was a lack of bandwidth so the site would have speeded up

di.fm is in a totally different country to what suprnova was so there is no relation in them both. so suprnova.org going down wouldn't speed up the di.fm site.

Whats probably happened is that there is less bandwidth usage on most isps since people will probably be downloading / uploading less due to suprnova.org being down.

ADSL, Cable, DSL, etc, are contended services....if you pay for a 512k connection thats contended, then its not guaranteed to be 512k

isps have no where near enough capacity to allow all their users to upload / download at max speed at the same time.... if they did, they would loose money

[Cyberstryke]

So like I thought it was ISP stuff and not actual internet throughput that freed up.

[matt]

Probably not just your isp..... pretty much the backbone of every country has been released from some pressure from suprnova.

Many isps have been hitting top throughput over their networks in this country...... i bet they are seeing big drops since this suprnova insident... and its probably the same in most countries...

think about it.... most people use most of their internet connection downloading / uploading using peer to peer networks.

[BarkerJr]

It'd be really cool to see a histogram of a large ISP's or router's throughput. ITR has a graph (http://www.internettrafficreport.com/30day.htm) of the last thirty days, but I don't really see a big difference for this weekend. Maybe it'll be gradual.

[anony]

>Closing Bittorrent

Hi
Is there any remote backup / mirror of the website, trackers and seeders?
If they prepare the mirrors on overseas servers, they can relocate the website and set it up under new name.
Is there any overseas mirrors of TLM-Project?

AFAIK ".torrent" files can be stored on ordinary FTP / HTTP server. Is there any FTP mirror of Suprnova torrents?

>Bandwidth
With recent advances in Mesh Computing, giant Terabit routers, Ultra dense WDM, multi wavelength fibre optic, there should be NO limit / shortage of bandwidth.

It's just the TELCO monopoly that prevent the spread of high speed Internet and giant bandwidth to every home.
Is it possible to connect directly to the giant Internet hub in USA? Why ISP must pay large amount of money for bandwidth?

http://www.locustworld.com

90 Tbps CISCO CRS 1:

http://www.thestreet.com/pf/tech/scottmoritz/10161689.html

UD WDM:

http://www.bell-labs.com/news/1999/november/10/2.html

WiMax: 70 Mbps Wireless with support from Intel Rosedale, Proxim etc:

ttp://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20040907net.htm

[matt]

TLMP website and tracker is currently located in Wales, UK

We have servers in the US and in Germany ready to roll out the site if anything happens to the server here

there are also mirrors of suprnova.... but only of existing torrents.... people cant upload to these mirrors so eventually they will probably go down

[Lucas]

eXeem is out in beta test... will tlmp be seen?

[matt]

I will look into eXeem... but what i have gathered about eXeem so far leads me to beleive that torrents are more suited to this project.

[Life]

Exeem is not going well. It appears that the client contains adware and spyware, and is not very functional (although its still in beta). It's recieved alot of bad reviews from the geek crowd, some even touting it as the new Kazaa.

Besides, the fact that the official Exeem client installs Cydoor and unwanted spy/adware, its closed source and not available for Mac or Linux. Also, Exeem was not actually created by the Suprnova group as many still believe (I even fell for that at first), moreover they were likely paid to market it, and the architecture of decentralising BitTorrent eliminates the features that made the protocol such a hit in the first place.

For instance, a decentralised network provides almost no authentication / validation on the files you are downloading, how many fake or corrupted files have you ever downloaded from a BitTorrent site? Compare this to the ratio of bad files in a traditional P2P environment. This is because the sites have some degree of responsibility and control over bad files being posted to the site, and seeded on local trackers, decentralised networks are more like a trash can full of data that you have to sift through to find something worthwhile. Peer coordination is also moved away from typically higher spec and properly maintained servers and onto individual peers.

Anyway, I'm not saying Exeem won't have its place, but for sites like us, and others that serve out legitimate content that must have a high degree of validation, its not even an issue.

Personally I don't think it will even compete with BitTorrent on the warez scene either. Look at the success of sites like Suprnova, it was so appealing because you could go to one site, have millions of torrents at your fingertips and simply click on what you want, it was categorised and easily searchable. It was an order of magnitude better than trawling through Kazaa / Gnutella et al, trying to find a download and only turning up 40,000 files of "Homer_Simpson_Fucks_Maggie_in_the_Ass.mpg.jpg.bat. exe.scr".

JMO.

[matt]

LMAO

once again, well put by life

[Cyberstryke]

Life always has the best rants.

[Cope57]

Since many bittorent sites are having legal issues, you could always go to one that will not have any problems downloading.
One like The Pirate Bay (http://www.thepiratebay.org)
:D

[matt]

I dont know much about the pirate bay but as far as i know they are in a country which has no laws against distributing copyrighted material.

i dont understand why people who actually want to run illegal torrent sites do it in a country like the US..... because its obvious they will get closed down

[Cope57]

Why they want to download illegal stuff in the first place is beyond me. I have found more open source software that does equal to or better than the programs that people share.
I still do not understand how it is illegal for file sharing anyway. You remember cassete tapes and VHS? You used to copy and create mixed music or movies of your choice with no hassles, it would be illegal to "sell" though. Now the age of CD's and DVD's it is all illegal now. Just because the quality is almost the same as the original.

[bernhard]

Why they want to download illegal stuff in the first place is beyond me. I have found more open source software that does equal to or better than the programs that people share.

fully agree (ACK)

A lot of people see free software as zero price, which they also get with illegal copies, but they completely miss the freedom given with free software.
With Linux I'm free to learn how every program and the system as a whole works.
I'm free to modify every bit I want. Be it to allow ejecting mounted CDs or to use my HD as rhythm-generator.
I'm also free to copy and distribute what I made. Even get money for it.

for the BT sites... I'm not sad at all that suprnova and lokitorrent are down. I also saw fresh Linux torrents at
torrentreactor.net submitted by mattewan so the game continues elsewhere